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FreedomWorks provided some of the recordings of the threatening calls to Whispers and they include physical threats and profanity aimed at the group, Tea Party spokesmen and even conservative talkers. "You guys better watch it," says one caller. "Now, we are going to destroy and obliterate Rush [Limbaugh] and Sean Hannity," said another. "Those two guys are dead."
Do you people have any idea where you are going with this type of attack?
Not good, not good at all.
Unbelievable. Fearmongers threated? Get outta here. Tell Brietbart to stop pranking - this is just plain rude.
You're gonna sleep with the fishes:
Now, we are going to destroy and obliterate Rush [Limbaugh] and Sean Hannity," said another. "Those two guys are dead."
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
You run around with a guns/ammo/not retreating just reloading attitude and not expect this response - you are an idiot. If you do expect this response then you are expectations are being met.
I agree that this is "Not good, not good at all".
I think most on the left will condemn this behavior. Meanwhile the Teaparty is led by and wishes to elect these types into power. See the difference?
Second Amendment solutions anyone????
I think most on the left will condemn this behavior. Meanwhile the Teaparty is led by and wishes to elect these types into power. See the difference?
Uh uh. sure dude.
Funny how people start to hate you when you are always spewing hate.
Weird.
This reminds me of the time when I poured gasoline all around myself and when I lit a match I burst into flames.
Who the hell could have predicted such an outcome?
Ah, the compassion and tolerance of the left. Brings a tear to the eye.
Don't invite me to the pity party you want to have after your lynch mobs get home.
Sheesh!
I don't like it when people make death threats against other people. I don't like it when people said that about Bush, don't like it when they say it about Obama, and don't like it when they say it about the tea party. If you can't live with someones opinions ingore them, if you think someone is lying then bring proof to the argument that they are. Threating to kill someone is just a sign that your a coward.
I agree.
The Tea Party is a bunch of liars who feed on hate.
Satisfied?
And the lefty libs are a bunch of weak-minded whiners that constantly spew hate.
Satisfied?
I'm a lefty and I don't want to see any deaths in the teabagger movement. They're too entertaining to laugh at. One doesn't kill the clowns. Besides they're quickly fading away all by themselves.
I'm a lefty and I don't want to see any deaths in the teabagger movement. They're too entertaining to laugh at. One doesn't kill the clowns. Besides they're quickly fading away all by themselves.
See, that's the spirit! Even though I disagree with the sentiment, there is no hate in it and even a bit of humor.
Hey, I have an idea
If the Tea Party needs some protection they can call Sharon Angle up. She can go after em with her second amendement remedies like she wants to do to Harry Reid if the voters don't choose her.
Let the psychos of the Tea Party protect the psychos of the Tea Party.
Or they could get the mama grizzly that fine loving Christian with the narcissistic personality disorder that encourages her sheep to reload, etc.
#1.7:Don't invite me to the pity party you want to have after your lynch mobs get home. Sheesh!
Just more of their self pity pranks! Anything to keep themselves in the news.
And isn't it ironic that dick armey says that freedomworks, the leaders of this clan, will have to move their headquarters - to the building shared with FAUX! How convenient!
I don't believe these lying bastards for one minute - why would anyone threaten them anyway, like they really scare someone- pulease! This is just more self-righteous propaganda dreamed by that pig dick army and his people to get some pity and attention. They can all go to hell-o!
perhaps pelosi can put together a team to determine who is doing this. or perhaps the team that is looking into the funding of the anti-mosque supporters can do this as well on the side.
I THINK THIS PROVES HOW IGNORANT WE HAVE ALL BECOME.
The number and intensity have reached such heights that the organization is leaving its downtown location near the FBI and moving to a high-security building near the U.S. Capitol.
Guess the FBI can't keep them safe..? (the organization is leaving its downtown location near the FBI)??? Reminds me of the Vietnam Veterans protest with truckers blocking traffic near major VA facilities and the FBI said, "they're too crazy... Smile :-) Reaping what you sow? How's that working for ya???
If these unhinged liberals actually ever tried anything, I'm sure they would be very surprised at who would be on the receiving end of the violence.
The Teabaggers have sown the wind with their ignorance and are reaping the benefits of the whirlwind. What goes around comes around ya gd bagging fools.
Notice the unfounded aggression against those that merely seek to have their voices heard. We are bankrupt, the Obama healthcare is being shown day by day to be worse than what the opponents feared, and yet you have voices like this one.
That is total BS, while I consider myself a Moderate who tends to lean to the left and don't agree with Hannity or Rush's message I would be the first to come to defend their 1st Amendment rights.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" - Aristotle
this article reminds me of B face the borderline sicko worked for McCain that scratched up her face and blamed a black man
or maybe the Mormons that like to send white powder letters to themselves and blame gays
"omg, with us hating the forefathers, using neonazis to write laws, acting like nazis, talking about reload- don't retreat, 2 amendment remedies, bashing fellow Americans 24/7 for the past 20 years in a relentless nazi, commie, cult propaganda campaign, making jokes about the President being assasinated, bringing assault weapons to town hall debates people are calling us and making threats OMG!!!!!! How can that be !? Those wicked evil Tea Party haters and their violence!!!!! STop them Please! Help us we are poor victims!!!! Please, someone protect us from the left!!!""
LMAO
sick sobs
You keep saying that every time a teabagger does something wrong, it's a liberal plant. Well, you know what? I think this was the teabaggers sending themselves a death threat to make liberals look bad. By your own logic, that's what it must be.
let me guess ... now teabaggers are plying themselves with death threats to try to stay in the media ?
heck , we love them , hannity and Rush , ect ..... the more they are out there the more sane everyone else looks.
MaryEllen: Hate much? How can you even pretend to be credible when all you do is spew nasty?
Is Briebart behind this ? or is Palin ? lmao.
like their fake KKK guy at the teabagger rally .
I think they were missing the attention and decided to make some up.
Hey, now wait just a darn minute. Are you saying this is Tea Partiers threatening Tea Partiers?? You don't think that Freedomworks would fake such calls !! Just to get some attention from the media???? Nnnnaaaaaaa, they would NEVER do that. (Would they??)
Mary Ellen is spot on
It is not hate - it's contempt, which in reality is much worse than hate LOL
one of the characteristic of bullies is that when confronted on their BS, they always become victims, so the Tea Party morons fit this bill
this article also reminds me of some idiot bully that taunts, teases, uses provocative language etc on another kid, and then when the kid finally hits back, the bully shows their true self and starts bawling, wants to file charges
or maybe a woman that calls a man every name in the book, slaps him, kicks him, pulls his hair, and then calls the cops for domestic abuse when he finally slaps her upside the head. I knew a woman like that once. She would actually beat herself up and call the cops to blame on her husband.
Aren't these the same people that were calling for another civil war?? LOL... guess they want the fire but can't take the heat.
I find all of this Tea party right and left fighting familiar. This is the same tactics used in wars separate and divide the people, as with Sunni and Shiite in Iraq and in the past South American countries such as Nicaragua with so called rebels financed by outside sources to encourage in fighting and causing coups and toppling of governments.
Only the rich and powerful come out the winners with this, and the rest of the population suffers. right wingers want 100 percent freedom from government left wingers want freedom of all minorities and who they feel is not part of the so called leading race,class or gender (or sexual orientation). Both the left and right have valid points in their own thinking and personal wants, but dividing a country by corporate or special interests will one day become the final blow to the USA.
As Americans we do not have to look at foreign terrorists or a nuclear missile attack, infighting and too many wants will be the end of this country without one bullet fired from a foreign country
Live by the sword, hypocrites!
"Live by the sword, die by the sword" is a metaphorical expression meaning that living one's life in a certain way will, in the end, affect one's destiny. The proverb comes from the Gospel of Matthew, verse 26:52, which describes a follower of Jesus (identified in the Gospel of John as Peter) drawing a sword to defend him against Roman soldiers, but is rebuked by Jesus, who tells him to sheath the weapon:
Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
—Matthew 26:52, King James Version
And what do you expect when you carry the (below) "in-your-face-crap" to rallies?
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p100/taxidave_photo/taxidave/912-TeaParty-DC-12.jpg
Below, in metaphorical and possibly real terms, is a potential outcome for those who threaten others.
And yet here in this thread the expressions of hate have come almost entirely from the left.
Does this mean that you are what you hate, or hate what you are?
I think most on the left will condemn this behavior. Meanwhile the Teaparty is led by and wishes to elect these types into power. See the difference?
Not making much sense, I think it was the people on the left who made the threats, and I dont think the Teaparty wants to elect them.
Below, in metaphorical and possibly real terms, is a potential outcome for those who threaten others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2PXb7xKhcI
Outstanding and thank you A. Mac
Not making much sense, I think it was the people on the left who made the threats, and I dont think the Teaparty wants to elect them.
Have you ever taken a class in logic??? You entitled to your opinion... Smile :-)
i just wanted to point out that you seed an article from US news and world report while the left wing and all their hate seed mediamatters, salon, huffington...all noncredible news
there is even one now that is calling foxnews a terrorist command post.
talk about a call to arms
no wonder all the left wing nutcases are coming out.
just hate hate and more hate.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
When Sharon Angle reels off comments like resorting to "second amendment solutions" she's advocating murder without saying as much. Oh of course those on the right would say the left is just "reading into it" but was the guy in the taxi who stabbed the driver because he was a Muslim not reading into it too? Of course he was, reading it loud and clear. Yet I see nobody condemning his actions, in part because the faux mosque controversy has about 3 1/2 more minutes of political life left.
When the rhetoric gets cranked up, the cranks come out of the woodwork.
The TPM is a farce. The proof in it was last summer when they attempted to target Clair McCaskel at a town hall meeting over health care. She asked how many disagreed with the government health care by a show of hands and everyone raised their hand. Then she asked how many were on Medicare by a show of hands and everyone looked like dear in the headlights! FreedomWorks must not have provided talking points for that contradiction.
The real truth is there are moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats, most people are near the center but the extremes are louder and garner far more attention than they deserve. Crazy is as crazy does, regardless of whether it's right or left!
i urge you to do a jay leno...go to the average citizen and ask them what second ammendment solutions mean and then ask them what foxnews is a terrorist command post means
unfortunately elections are decided by those with no knowledge of politics...so it does matter.
the left
forever trying to argue by dismissing those that disagree of stupidity.
it shows theirs.
I think most on the left will condemn this behavior.
And so far has any of them on this seed? Nope. Typical.
Ah, the compassion and tolerance of the left.
Never ever ever use such words when describing blood sucking liberals.
Sorry, Peach. What I meant to say was, the blood sucking compassion and tolerance of the left. lol
vol and others,
I (a mostly liberal/Democrat) CONDEMN the use of violence, threats and coercion by ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP (except in clear matters of self-defense).
A. Mac
tangojones
Ah, the compassion and tolerance of the left. Brings a tear to the eye.
Too amusing. The intolerant hate the right has been vomiting all over the place is finally being caught in a bucket and thrown back in their faces, and your response is "the compassion and tolerance of the left."
I have to assume you've been railing against all the insane and hateful sh*t the nuts on the right have been promoting to divide this country, right? In other words, you're not a hypocrite, are you?
james-1416766
the left
forever trying to argue by dismissing those that disagree of stupidity.
it shows theirs.
Poor generalization. Nothing but opinion. Not clever.
What was it you were saying about stupidity?
Driftwood, yours is the classic Rethuglican response: if we can't win with words of persuasion, let's use words to encourage violence. Just once I would like to have a civil debate with conservative based on facts, not emotion. People like you will be the ruin of America. I certainly don't approve of death threats but am glad to see the Tea Baggers get a taste of their own medicine.
She asked how many disagreed with the government health care by a show of hands and everyone raised their hand. Then she asked how many were on Medicare by a show of hands and everyone looked like dear in the headlights! FreedomWorks must not have provided talking points for that contradiction.
Those old people are all closet socialists. They should stop receiving medicare if government health care goes against their principles. If they can't afford it - the health care they require as they get sicker and sicker as they get older and older - screw em...better than being hypocrites, right?
And stop taking social security as well. The government should cut 1 check equal to what people put in throughout their working career, and be done with them. Let's see how long that money lasts before they come back begging.
I've read through all of the posts. It would appear you aren't getting much love on your own seed Spacecase.
I am not surprised everyday that passes without a left wing crazy becoming violent. That is a possibility, but you have to prove it. Just assuming that is indeed the case is intellectual immaturity, a trademark of the left. Just think a wacky liberal making death threats with a weapon, they cannot stand the mere thought of a weapon, let alone know how to use one. It does not bother the left one bit to see their hate, racism, sexism, and violent tendencies posted all over the media.
not one post by a liberal condemning the calls to violence.
interesting.
. Just think a wacky liberal making death threats with a weapon, they cannot stand the mere thought of a weapon,
Copy this xerox, your post is a perfect example of intellectual immaturity. I am a disabled combat veteran and a liberal/progressive. I have had weapons in my hands more times that you can probably count and still have a personal collection including the sidearm I carried in Vietnam. The same is true for thousands of liberal/progressive veterans and active duty military not to mention avid liberal/progressive gun enthusiasts and hunters. Your incessant childish, but erroneous characterizations of the left, a significant portion of the U.S. population adds nothing to the dialogue. To the contrary, it exposes yet again the shallow, myopic worldview of the right.
Just think a wacky liberal making death threats with a weapon, they cannot stand the mere thought of a weapon,
This is a load of crap.....
I'm liberal, a former active duty Marine (A 1/11, 13th MEU (SOC) Somalia), own multiple firearms, hunt,fish etc etc etc.
Not all lefties are tree hugging, sandal wearing, soy eating, prius driving,anti military, long haired, bearded, peace-nik, un-washed, hippies.
Not all lefties are tree hugging, sandal wearing, soy eating, prius driving,anti military, long haired, bearded, peace-nik, un-washed, hippies.
Nope, but the vast majority are.
You sure about that, space guy? Are you sure thats not just the sect you are repeatedly exposed to?
You sure about that, space guy? Are you sure thats not just the sect you are repeatedly exposed to?
I don't look at the people in this instance, I look at the underlying philosophy and it is right on the money.
Then perhaps, you'd like to explain why all the wars we have had were ended by democratic presidents? That does not sound like something a limp wristed, rail thin, nancyboy could do.
And if you are taking the philosophical approach, then the right come off a an apocolyptic cult bent on blowing up the world for money.
I do appreciate the fact you are not throwing random attacks in with your posts. Its becoming hard to find that on the vine.
Why, thank you, A Mac.. voted up...and have and will do the same.
Then perhaps, you'd like to explain why all the wars we have had were ended by democratic presidents? That does not sound like something a limp wristed, rail thin, nancyboy could do.
Because most of them were started by democrats?
WW-I
WW-II
Korea (ended by a Republican--Eisenhower)
Vietnam (ended by a Republican--Nixon)
Then perhaps, you'd like to explain why all the wars we have had were ended by democratic presidents?
I'm sure they want to bring up Reagan and the "cold war"....
WW-I
WW-II
Korea (ended by a Republican--Eisenhower)
Vietnam (ended by a Republican--Nixon)
We entered WWI because a European ambassador told Mexico they would get American land if they helped the ambassador's side attack us. We entered WWII because of Pearl Harbor. We were forcibly brought into those conflicts. Eisenhower, a Republican, brought us into Vietnam.
Eisenhower, a Republican, brought us into Vietnam.
Actually, he did not. He refused to get involved in Vietnam after the French were driven out.
It was the liberal hero JFK that went in.
Actually;
WWI:Begun, ended, and won with Woodrow Wilson as acting president (D)
WWII: U.S. involvement begun by Franklin D. Roosevelt (D), war ended and won with Harry S. Truman as acting president (D).
Civil War: Instigated by The Confederacy led by Jefforson Davis (D), won by the Union led by Abraham Lincoln (R).
Huh. Its good to learn something new everyday. However, these facts do not support your argument that the vast majority of liberals are the comical tree-hugging hippies. Both world wars not only won with a (D) in office, but U.S. involvement was started with a (D) in office. If liberals were the weak-willed individuals you believe them to be, then how the hell did these (D)'s get voted in?
Not seeing the big deal here, being threatened by the left is the equivalent of being threatened by the asthmatic kid in the wheel chair on the playground.
I do however find it interesting that the left is willing to support, based on their comments here, the committing of violence towards their own contrymen when not so long ago these very same slobs were condemning the right with talk of revolution. Apparently violence, much like every other action, is only acceptable when it is the left making the decision on how it is to be committed.
Lefties are funny little people arent they?
Gnosis 13,
Are you truly going to try and compare the Democrats of yesteryear to the ganola munchers of today? If you go back and look at the politics of the old school Democrats they would make todays Conservatives look like a bunch of panty wastes!
Or, it could just be the history talking. You also seem to make a habit of ignoring context so you can inject your own.
Good observation Knuckldraggin'AWM
I just visited a seed where a leftist member was threatening violence because they didn't like the idea of laws being changed through voting and the legal process. They didn't like a certain group of people being able to make changes different than their own opinion.
It is only good for the left if changes to the law suit them only.
Not seeing the big deal here, being threatened by the left is the equivalent of being threatened by the asthmatic kid in the wheel chair on the playground.
Obviously, you never hung out in any of the playgrounds in my neighborhood! But, I'd be happy to to give you some locations to put in your GPS and, upon your arrival, just begin calling out the boys ...
And, if/when you get back to the Vine, fill us in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2PXb7xKhcI
Much of "fiction" arises from fact.
Let us see. There was the teacher in Washington, Jason Levin, who set up a blog to urge Democrats to crash tea party rallies to say and do things that would paint the tea party as racist and hate mongers. He even urged Democrats to trick tea party members into giving them their names, addresses, social security numbers, etc. by having them sign fake petitions. Liberal gets excited about that? No. In addition, during the tea party rally in Searchlight, Nevada was not it the SEIU thugs who changed the signs to misdirect the buses of the people who wanted to attend. In addition, wasn't it those same thugs who threw eggs at the buses and cars? Was there outrage from the left? No. Let us not forget the SEIU thugs who beat up a black conservative who was outside a town hall meeting handing out literature at a table. Was liberal upset about that? No .At a recent town hall meeting, a Democrat congresswoman hired a thug to intimidate people who asked questions she did not like.
They no longer engage their conservative opponents on any level. It’s all talk of racism and ignorance and oppression. Today leftist is little more than an alliance of the uncontrollably angry the rent-seekers, and snobbish, self-righteous pseudo-intellectuals who simply look down on conservatives for not being as refined as they are. The Left is far too obnoxious and repulsive in their tactics to succeed. They show what they are; a bunch of lowlife thugs the media has spent the last 2 years trying to scare the public about dangerous tea party violence. They have had little evidence so they kind had to make it up. Now we have real violence and it is from the left.
The news media has a history of staying silent when they find out that these people are extreme liberals. First, the media jump the shark and blame it on Tea Party then once they find out who it was they go quiet and not apologize to the Tea Party. However, that is OK. We do not need an apology.
Obviously, you never hung out in any of the playgrounds in my neighborhood! But, I'd be happy to to give you some locations to put in your GPS and, upon your arrival, just begin calling out the boys ...
I'll be there next to A Mac..... With cane in hand rising from wheel chair.
Not seeing the big deal here, being threatened by the left is the equivalent of being threatened by the asthmatic kid in the wheel chair on the playground.
Gather your little Army and we will communicate, figuratively speaking..
space guy
Nope, but the vast majority are.
Actually, you have absolutely no idea what "the vast majority" of liberals are, you just like to think you do because then they are easier to fit in your simple world view where everything must be categorized.
I'm terribly sorry to disappoint, but your narrow view just isn't reality.
First, you have to define what a "liberal" is. Second, you have to come to the painful realization that no person is so simple as to be defined by a word; words, however, are defined by people.
First, you have to define what a "liberal" is. Second, you have to come to the painful realization that no person is so simple as to be defined by a word; words, however, are defined by people.
Read the hate in just this thread and tell me that the vast majority of libs, at least here on the vine are not what I described.
Space guy, Smith Cassidy is right on target. Conservatives never actually talk to people who don't agree with them so they have no basis in fact whatsoever to support their characterizations of liberals. Every political party or organization has a broad spectrum of adherents ranging from the "don't really give a damn" to "die hard fanatics". Conservatives are most inclined to adopt a party line and then repeat it over and over again ad in finitum.
The Republican Party is the only party less popular than the Democrats. I'm 62 and as far back as I can recall the GOP has always been about protecting the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. If the GOP was about inclusion rather than exclusion they might have at least one Black Senator, Congressman, Governor or Mayor of a larger city. They don't.
So go ahead ultracons keep your IVs plugged into FOX and Rush so you'll know where to go and what to think. The tea partyers are a cross between the KKK and the would be contestants waiting to get on Let's Make a Deal.
Actually, you have absolutely no idea what "the vast majority" of liberals are, you just like to think you do because then they are easier to fit in your simple world view where everything must be categorized.
But I suppose you have no trouble with liberals trying to fit all conservatives, Republicans, and /or Tea Party members into the same types.
If the GOP was about inclusion rather than exclusion they might have at least one Black Senator, Congressman, Governor or Mayor of a larger city. They don't.
Is that really true?
Space guy, Smith Cassidy is right on target. Conservatives never actually talk to people who don't agree with them so they have no basis in fact whatsoever to support their characterizations of liberals.
Oh I live in the bay area of SF so I am with libs all the time. There is a wide spectrum of people of the lib persuasion just as there are conservatives. The ones who are the loudest mouths are the ones that get heard and it is disheartening how dogmatic the vast majority are.
And conservatives ala teabaggers aren't totally dogmatic? What a crock of limbaughbrains!
But I suppose you have no trouble with liberals trying to fit all conservatives, Republicans, and /or Tea Party members into the same types.
No, I prefer facts and specifics to broad generalizations.
Are any of you really surprised that this sh!t leads to violence?
Go look up the Spanish Civil War for a possible future.
Tyler -
They are not surprised. It's just that it's not amusing to them when they get hit by their own barbs. They can spend somma their millions on increased security. They already have state of the art security to keep their fans at a distance.
Go look up the Spanish Civil War for a possible future.
I find it remarkable that a call for bloodshed from the left gets ten votes here on the vine within an hour.
Anything that spouts hate against anything that isn't far left gets all kinds of votes here.
It's only good if it is leftist hate on the vine.
It's not a call for bloodshed, its a pointer to what can happen once the populace is stoked white hot with hate..
I called for bloodshed?
Is there anything the Right cannot distort?
Is there anything the Right cannot distort?
Nope. Not a thing.
Is there anything the Right cannot distort?
Since the Conservapedia Bible was announced, I'd agree with R. Donald Snyder.
I don't think the left condones violence or threats of violence. We just don't really believe a lefty would resort to violence - it is much more of a problem on the right and teabaggers have been ratcheting up the violent rhetoric for a year and a half now and I personally think it is either an attempt to blame something on the left (as has happened before), or an idiot who wants payback for the ugly hate coming from the right (using their tactics back on them). Just my opinion. Lock and load?
I find it remarkable that a call for bloodshed from the left gets ten votes here on the vine within an hour.
Oh ... suddenly the far-right tough-talkers speak out on behalf of pacifism!
Bit late.
http://www.savetherepublic.info/
http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Second_Amendment.htm
http://www.zazzle.com/politicians_prefer_unarmed_peasants_bumper_sticker-128051485095645097
http://www.nerepublican.com/index.php/2009/06/02/eric-holder-justice-and-gun-control/
http://www.yauponcreek.org/2ndAmendment.html
http://www.zazzle.com/from_my_cold_dead_hands_obama_bumper_sticker-128680260717318165
http://www.gather.com/viewImage.action?fileId=3096224744725647
The billionaire Koch brothers: Tea Party puppetmasters?
They are 'waging a war against Obama'
In 2004, David Koch helped found conservative advocacy group Americans for Prosperity, which Mayer says has been "instrumental in disrupting the Obama presidency." The Kochs' involvement, she writes, has been "intense"; one source even says it is "micromanaged" by the brothers — a charge they deny. "By giving money to 'educate,' fund, and organize Tea Party protesters, [the Kochs] have helped turn their private agenda into a mass movement," says Mayer. FrumForum's Tim Mak, a conservative, treats this with skepticism. "Try telling a [Tea Party] activist that they're an agent of the Koch family!" he says. "The Tea Party just can't be seriously controlled, only educated."
And ...
The Tea Party is no grassroots organization, neither are a long list of other innocent-sounding organizations funded either directly or indirectly by David and Charles Koch (pronounced “coke” not “cock”) and their company, Koch Industries, which is one of the largest privately owned companies in the world. As you can imagine, it’s a business that made their family one of the richest in human history.
Lifelong Libertarians whose father admired Mussolini, set up oil refineries for Stalin’s U.S.S.R. and publicly denounced the Civil Rights Movement, they’ve declared war against progressive policies of all kinds. And, they’ve funded their ideological “war” through over $100 million in donations to right-wing organizations, think tanks, academics and politicians — though, it’s difficult to know, for sure, how much they’ve given thanks to laws that protect donations to non-profit organizations. In fact, their tentacles are so intertwined with Washington’s top conservative policymakers that the brothers, and all of the interests they fund, are collectively known as the “Kochtopus.”
But even though they’re willing to be puppet masters and bankroll organizations pushing to boost corporate interests and stomp on yours, they’re not too keen on you knowing who they are because they don’t want you to stop buying their products. Go figure. Those products include Brawny paper towels, Dixie Cups, Georgia-Pacific lumber, Stainmaster carpet and Lycra — to name a few.
The "criminal rich" (as Teddy Roosevelt referred to Wall Street), has led willing dupe religionists, bigots, xenophobes and the ignorant down the lane. The Tea Party isn't about the "common man," it's about exploiting the hatred of an element among the "common man" and turning him against his own interests to placate his hatred!
Ahhh, A.MacArthur, another agent of hate. You villify the Koch's for exercising their constitutional right to oppose Obama while giving George Soros, Michael Moore, and Babs Streisand a pass?
Typical.
Yes, and then you go for the typical jump the shark move of attempting to tie the tea party and their supporters to Fascists, since the racism charge has failed you.
I find it amazing that the left is so adamant to attack their fellow citizens for wanting smaller government and less taxes and fiscal responsibility.
This is the ultimate fate of the hippy generation, you cannot make your utopian narvanna, so you want to destroy everything.
It is very sad.
its amazing that people wanting to be left alone and to have freedom are called stupid among many other names by the left.
what is wrong with being left alone?? wanting to care for yourself?? really??
amazing.
macarthur probably doesnt even know the history of the koch brothers without looking it up now that I asked. I happen to know quite a bit about them. maybe if you cared I could give you some insight into them....wait....george soros is really the only one that cares about americans huh??
lol
I provide specifics and Space Guy responds with name-dropping, platitudes and rhetoric.
That is what's typical ... how about addressing point-by-point instead of the usual.
Does organized wealth ... the criminal rich ... wield and control the tea party, shill for the health insurance industry, start bull@!$%# wars to feed the war-profiteers, try and privatize social security to feed the pigs on Wall Street, make tax breaks for themselves, export good jobs, import and hire cheap, illegal labor, conduct political campaigns fomenting racism, xeneophobia, homophobia and fear?
Do the so-called "Constitution-loving" fraud teabaggers and faux-libertarians ever mention the 35 violations of the Constitution by the Bush Administration ... shall I list and document them for you?
Your presentations are what is "very sad."
Address the points SPECIFICALLY and let the readers decide for themselves rather than having you foist conclusions as if they had any basis in fact.
You provided no evidence A. Macarthur, just your own rants pretending to be truth. George Soros funds media matters and the left and he was kicked out of both Russia and France for attempting to destabilize those nations. There is plenty of evidence for that.
Exactly what part of the Tea party platform do you oppose?
http://jade-log.newsvine.com/_news/2010/08/26/4979166-at-war-on-our-own-soil-how-do-we-fight-against-the-right-wing-the-8-necessary-questions?threadId=1056810&commentId=16942632#c16942632
Here is another seed here on the vine inciting the left to greater levels of vitriol.
My proof of the hatred of the left is evident here even on this seed. You are your own witnesses to the state of your hearts.
macarhtur
i was there in the beginning in 07 in support of Ron Paul...bashing on bush.
you rant and rave and name call but you know nothing of what goes on.
you dont think the democrats and republicans have big money behind them??? so number 45 on the forbes list is who funds libertarians.
are you that scared of a third party that you want to squash its main source of income??
the left is full of nothing but hate and this vine and all the others on newsvine are proof...against people who just want freedom....I want to be my own caretaker...but you call me stupid or ignorant because I want to decide how I spend my money.
it really makes no sense and it doesnt make you look good.
peace out.
My proof of the hatred of the left is evident here even on this seed. You are your own witnesses to the state of your hearts.
Do you think proof cannot be found of hatred on the right? This is your seed...did you start it to instigate or to inform?
And to an earlier point: Moore, Stresiand and Soros don't hide their opinions or support like the Kochs. Nor do they have one opinion for the public and another, counter opinion they fund in private.
Fail comparison. Try again.
And crying about the left, whining "it's not fair!" while ignoring as bad or worse from the right is pathetic.
Do you think proof cannot be found of hatred on the right? This is your seed...did you start it to instigate or to inform?
Here in this seed it is evident and apparently heartfelt.
And to an earlier point: Moore, Stresiand and Soros don't hide their opinions or support like the Kochs. Nor do they have one opinion for the public and another, counter opinion they fund in private.
So, if it is their desire to destroy the republic it is fine as long as they tell us they are?
Here in this seed it is evident and apparently heartfelt.
And this seed is the only thing that matters for quantifying hate?
Destroy the Republic? What is this, Star Wars?
Are you buying your gold ala Atlas Shrugged like Beck is telling you to?
So Moore, Streisand and Soros are a threat to 'the republic' but Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin aren't?
Also, what about your defense of the Kochs? And as far as people who are actually are a threat to this nation, the Koch brothers say Hi.
Also, what about your defense of the Kochs? And as far as people who are actually are a threat to this nation, the Koch brothers say Hi.
I defend their right to free speech just like I defend Streisand's and Moore's and anyone else's.
Why would you deny them their rights? Just because you don't agree with them?
Think about it.
What is there to think about? I never said anything about denying rights, free speech or anything else.
space guy
he just cant understand that all americans speech should be protected.
its the liberal way...only speech they like their ears to hear can be allowed...anything that is offensive (to them) should be banned.
i am afraid someday they might start fining or ban farting.
would take away one of my favorite activities.
oh well got to go have a smoke....also I am cooking with trans fat oil that I bought from a store that I drove home in my suburban, it was in a store plastic bag....I didnt wear a seatbelt the whole ride... later on I am going to ride my motorcycle without a helmet then I am going to sit down eat a dozen twinkies and a big mac...heck i am going to put the twinkies in the big mac and chase it down with a case of beer.....then when it is all done I am going to pass some gas.
I probably just sent every liberal into convulsions with my behavior. I can see them now.....getting all upset, spittle hitting the screen typing as fast as they can telling me I shouldnt be doing what I want I should be doing what they want.
hilarious.
james-1416766
space guy
he just cant understand that all americans speech should be protected.
I assume you are referring to me, so allow me to repeat myself:
Smith Cassidy
What is there to think about? I never said anything about denying rights, free speech or anything else.
Now I realize I used logic and reasoning to combat your opinion-filled post and likely your head is going to explode, but if you are able, tell me where I said or indicated free speech shouldn't be protected.
I probably just sent every liberal into convulsions with my behavior. I can see them now.....getting all upset, spittle hitting the screen typing as fast as they can telling me I shouldnt be doing what I want I should be doing what they want.
I hate to tell you, but you're the one coming across as rabid and obsessed. Still, as long as you're have fun.
so are you telling me if i drive around in a suburban that alone wouldnt get some liberals upset??
ohhhhhhhhhhh please.
if i eat big macs and twinkies that wouldnt get some liberals upset????????
ohhhhhhhhhhh please
me smoking????????????
come on being a libertarian i argue these points on here quite often. the only people who want to take those choices away from me are liberals.
THE ONLY ONES.
so are you telling me if i drive around in a suburban
I'm a Land Rover kind of guy, but love Suburbans.
angry
i doubt it very much...but if so there are many hypocritical people out there...look at al gore.
but that is not going to take away the point of people demonizing others for driving suv's.
i dont drive a surburban by the way.....gas hogs and they are destroying our planet.
people demonizing others for driving suv's.
I've seen it happen....here in Seattle the Hummer dealership got vandalized.
I don't condone it, I don't agree with it.
Honestly, I think the best thing for the environment would be for us to just go ahead and use up the oil. Just be done with it.....
I do drive a Rover, (LR3, so not one of the huge ones)....I do like Suburbans and the Expedition.....I wouldn't buy/drive one though.
whats up brother..i am in spokane area. I did buy an expedition back in 2000...was a great drive...the best ever in snow...but too big for me.
LR3 are nice....always been afraid of british cars though
jeep commander for me right now. like the LR3 a bit more exclusive...yours because its nice, mine because its uglier than hell. fits my wifes...ummmmm er personality.
lmao.
Honestly, I think the best thing for the environment would be for us to just go ahead and use up the oil. Just be done with it.....
Don't you like modern civilization?
And how would that be best for the "environment"?
always been afraid of british cars though
Nothing to be afraid of......you can go ANYWHERE....and still feel like you are surrounded in luxury......I've got some fairly remote land in southern Oregon (Beatty)......there is nothing like driving down a forest service road and still feeling like you are in the lap of luxury.
Land Rover is actually owned by TaTa Motors (TTM) based in India.
And how would that be best for the "environment"?
The environment can start to "heal, and we will have to find some other way to power our lives....we would still have polluters like coal, but getting rid of autos would be a good step.....
You are funny, james. You think liberals don't smoke? I do. You think liberals don't eat Twinkies? I prefer Ding Dongs, but only eat them now and again when I can't pass them up on sale at the store. I also eat an occasional Big Mac. You think liberals don't drive Suburbans? Well, I drive a van, but lots of my friends drive Suburbans, we need bigger cars for car pools. Having said that, we also own a Prius, which my husband uses to commute.
Guess you don't really know us at all.
i know many liberals are hypocrites...
first they called for safer cars...its proven bigger cars generally are safer....but they also get worse gas mileage...now they are pushing for smaller cars for better mpg which will cause the deaths of thousands anually
blood for oil...
ohhh then there is the environment and the estrogen that is put into our water from women urinating out the birth control pill.....mutating fish.....
cant get rid of that birth control though...so its ok to pollute the environment if it doesnt suite your agenda
lmao.
first they called for safer cars...its proven bigger cars generally are safer....
Ugh. Bigger cars are only safer when colliding with other big cars. You really can't be that bad at rational thought, can you?
Mutating fish? Estrogen? Women going to the bathroom?
Only "liberal" women are on birth control? Is that why white people throughout the world are among the lowest birth rates in the world? Wait. That would mean either all women are liberal or women who are not liberal are also using birth control. Oh me...are there faulty facts in this opinion?
To clarify: All women in the United States and European countries.
smith cassidy
no i am talking about the so called environmentalists who care about our planet...they look the other way in regards to the birth control pill putting estrogen into our rivers polluting....they dont push for the banning of the birth control pill like they did DDT which was supposedly causing bird populations to decline...which in turn has then increased cases of malaria worldwide killing millions.
now in regards to car safety....it isnt actually bigger its "heavier" laws of physics prove that if a heavy object comes into contact with a lighter object it will carry the momentum...laws of kinetic energy. here is ralph nader...showing his lack of caring for americans.
nobody should be threatening anybody
#4 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:38 PM EDTHaven't we seen seeds of beck and rush and even palin suggesting violence on those on the left and now they are crying about some who hate their rheteric endorsing violence.?! My wish is that they GET WHAT THEY SOW! I won't cry about it!
And who would do that, other than the New Black Panthers or a similar racist militia group with the same stated goal of killing white people? Doubtful the threats came from the DAR or a renegade Mensa faction.
littlechanges,
How about backing up your racist rant and accusations with concrete evidence from a non-racist and non political partisan source?
And who would do that, other than the New Black Panthers or a similar racist militia group with the same stated goal of killing white people? Doubtful the threats came from the DAR or a renegade Mensa faction.
And what about that poor guy who got beat up by obamas SEIU thugs for selling Tshirts.
First let me state. This is type of thing is unacceptable. However, before I am going to believe Dick Armey or anyone associated with him, I want to see some documentation. Once the documentation is presented I want proof positive that the threats were not orchestrated by the Tea Party Strategists in an attempt to smear Democrats.
Like the way the left smears the Tea Party for being racist and allegedly spitting and cursing at minorities? To date - no proof. But it's accepted as fact.
They have cut gas lines at the home of the brother of a Representative, after his address was posted on a Teabagger website, and of course Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter's "jokes" about poisoning elected government officials and supreme court justices date back quite a bit.
Remove the beam in thine own eye, Teabagger.
Let's not forget about Palin drawing sniper rifle marks on her little map.
I'm not a teabagger. And your comment doesn't change the truth of my previous comment.
Driftwood1
I'm not a teabagger.
Is this the new "centrist?" First you folks were so embarrassed by George W. Bush that you created a fake new party to pretend you didn't support his dumb ideas. Now that the Teabaggers are self-pwning faster than a Counter-Strike n00b with nothing but a bag of sticky grenades, you're pretending you aren't Teabaggers.
I guess you're a man with neither party affiliation nor personal conviction. But you are shooting targets from the right to the left, so I see you standing next to the Teabaggers. Do you imagine that I can't figure out where you are facing, and what you think is behind you? You must think I'm very dumb.
And your comment doesn't change the truth of my previous comment.
The Teabaggers are playing victim again. I am pointing out that they are not only threatening and initiating violence, they're doing it from the leadership on down.
A couple of random phone calls is not the same thing at all, and you know it. My links proving it are right there for all to see.
There are many that are so far left on Newsvine that a traditional Democrat gets labeled a fascist here.
#5:However, before I am going to believe Dick Armey or anyone associated with him, I want to see some documentation. Once the documentation is presented I want proof positive that the threats were not orchestrated by the Tea Party Strategists in an attempt to smear Democrats.
I am with you; I don't believe any of this hogwash either. Just another ploy and "I'm the victim" rant by dick army and his band of renown Teabaggers. Just for some publicity (pity)!
As I stated in my earlier comment, cut the crap!
Stevie, consider It and maximillio,
Great posts. I agree 100% with your posts.:-)
I'm not a man. However, I have convictions, as is obvious. Labels don't interest me. There is no one person that is entirely "teabagger", "republican," "democrat" or any other label. Putting people in a box with your preconceived notions and biases about them takes away the human factor. It's fine if you want to label those that disagree with you on certain issues as neocons, teabaggers, etc. But you are the one doing a disservice - to yourself and to others.
They have cut gas lines at the home of the brother of a Representative, after his address was posted on a Teabagger website, and of course Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter's "jokes" about poisoning elected government officials and supreme court justices date back quite a bit.
Remove the beam in thine own eye, Teabagger.
#5.2 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:04 PM
“A fascist sees the mote in his neighbor’s eye, then hits him over the head with the beam in his own.”
About: Fascism quotes.
Texas queen....do you even KNOW the defination of fascist
Fascism is a form of extreme right-wing ideology that celebrates the nation or the race as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national or racial rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. To this end, fascism calls for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and seeks to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, youth, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race. http://www.publiceye.org/eyes/whatfasc.html
If that is tooo liberal for you, how about this: Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3
One more thing.....merriamwebsters.com political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Thankfully we have the 1st Amendment of out CONSTITUTION for protect us from the "forcable supression tho that doesn't mean the frighty-righties don't TRY!
Thankfully we have the 1st Amendment of out CONSTITUTION for protect us from the "forcable supression tho that doesn't mean the frighty-righties don't TRY!
And you are more than welcome to state whatever you like in this regard on my thread. However, there are many threads here where it is the left who want to suppress free speech, and there has been at least one call for bloodshed on this very thread.
I pity you in your blindness, it will end in pain for us all.
Space Guy
Aint that the truth, anybody who disagrees with this jade-log character gets deleted. I guess he cant stand the heat.
There are many that are so far left on Newsvine that a traditional Democrat gets labeled a fascist here.
Explain to me how anything I have ever advocated is "far left." Equality? Enshrined in the ideals of the Founding Fathers. Fairness? An inarguable precept. Against the formation of an aristocracy? Again, strongly supported by the Founders both in the Declaration and the Constitution. Sustainibility? Only a moron or a lunatic would argue against sustainability. Critical thinking? How is critical thinking "leftist?"
If you want to argue with my actual positions you are welcome to do it. I have sound logical reasons for believing and advocating for what I advocate. It is insulting and stupid of you to dismiss my opinions as "leftist" without bothering to enumerate your objections to them. All it reveals is the weakness of your own position.
The political dialogue in this nation got here because the growing cancer of our unwanted aristocracy has been shoving lies and hysteria into the discussion in order to disguise their agenda of installing themselves as an un-removable upper class and reducing the rest of us to a hopeless and easily manipulated lower class.
It is sad and pathetic to watch Americans humping the leg of the Aristocracy, shilling for huge tax cuts on their behalf, defending the laziness and gluttony of the idle and useless rich who are well on their way to declaring themselves Royalty. It offends everything I have ever held dear about being an American. There are people on this site who bridle at my strong language and uncompromising positions. I'm sure the Royalists of 1775 were similarly insulted and offended by the strong language and uncompromising positions of the Colonists. I guess you have picked your side, and you're standing with the Royalists of today.
I'm not a man. However, I have convictions, as is obvious. Labels don't interest me.
What you have is a rhetorical device that allows you to sling arrows one way and then dodge and weave around when they come back to you. If we were on ye olde tyme medieval battlefield, you would be the one running around with six or eight different armies' flags tucked into your belt, and you'd pull a different one out each time depending on who you were facing.
You aren't fooling me.
"far left."
Government healthcare that removes and entire swath of private enterprise and virtually guarantees national bankruptcy for a start.
Government healthcare that removes and entire swath of private enterprise and virtually guarantees national bankruptcy for a start.
Complete misrepresentation - it's for-profit health care that increases the expense of doing business in America, makes money by denying coverage and claims ... and DEATH ... 31 cents on every health insurance dollar goes to CEO salaries, waste, claim denial departments ...
The CEO of US Healthcare (cheered on by shills from the right, front organizations like Dick Armey/Freedomworks and the tea party) "earned" $50,000 last year ...
AN HOUR!
A. Mac
Complete misrepresentation - it's for-profit health care that increases the expense of doing business in America, makes money by denying coverage and claims ... and DEATH ... 31 cents on every health insurance dollar goes to CEO salaries, waste, claim denial departments ...
And yet for decades democrats have talked about eliminating waste. Sorry but healthcare companies average profit is about 3% while microsoft and Google are at 28 and 32%.
I seriously doubt that any healthcare company CEO has as much money as Eric Schmidt, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett.
I know about the problems in healthcare, and most of them are caused by government rules.
No, they really aren't. Denying care to people with preexisting conditions? Dropping people when they get sick? Those aren't from government regulations.
The notion that business is beneficial to the public without any regulation is a fantasy.
I know about the problems in healthcare, and most of them are caused by government rules.
Are you kidding me? Which rules, like, regulating insurance companies so they can't stop treatment for pre-existing conditions? Like keeping rising premiums from exploding for no reason? Like not being able to afford coverage for your family? I would really like to know what problems the government causes, as opposed to the industry. We currently pay more than any country in the world for far less healthcare and good results. What do you say to a family with a child who is now dying of a disease, and the family lost their jobs, insurance, then cobra. They are moving out of their house because they lost it, have thousands and thousands of dollars of debt directly related to their only child's illness, and now are moving in with a relative while they say goodbye to their beloved son, and they will be trying to rebuild their lives while going through the worst grief in the world. But hey, at least those insurance CEO's are able to build that pool or buy that plane. God forbid they have to know the suffering their decisions cause. So sleep well, those guys are fine. I'll save my prayers for a family already in the throes of despair, with grief on the horizon.
Denying care to people with preexisting conditions?
My blue cross covers my asthma after a 1 year waiting period.
Dropping people when they get sick?
Insurance companies get sued for that, it is called breach of contract.
Sorry, you are striking out here on this one. These are myths.
Like keeping rising premiums from exploding for no reason?
Premium increases are approved by state boards. CA just approved a 20% increase for Anthem. Are you saying that the states are allowing this for no reason? Sounds like the government at work.
Look at what happened when the deregulated car insurance, it is a fraction of what it was 20 years ago.
Less government now more.
As for the rest, typical lib rant with little basis.
The government is killing jobs right and left and you want to blame private enterprise for that?
Do you seriously ever examine the things that you say?
Denying care to people with preexisting conditions?
My blue cross covers my asthma after a 1 year waiting period.
Blue Cross is government run.
Dropping people when they get sick?
Insurance companies get sued for that, it is called breach of contract.
Actually, a lot of companies put in a clause allowing them to do that.
Sorry, you are striking out here on this one. These are myths.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/health-care-reform/2009/08/hhs_insurance_companies_encour.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/29/opinion/29mon1.html
http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-evil-insurance-companies-are-dropping-coverage-for-women-whove-been-rap/
The government is killing jobs right and left and you want to blame private enterprise for that?
What? How is the government killing jobs? I really don't get it. Could you explain? (Don't call me a stupid lib, I'm in 9th grade.)
Blue Cross is government run.
Blue cross is a private corporation.
Next.
Could you explain?
Up to 100,000 jobs have been lost just in southern states due to the moratorium on drilling in the gulf of Mexico.
Government policies that give us multi trillion dollar deficits create chaos in financial markets. The new healthcare plan, the financial reform, the cap and trade (even the threat of it), creates uncertainty in companies regarding what the cost of business is going to be. If they don't know then they don't hire, they don't expand, they sit on their money.
If you read the financial pages you will see that corporations are sitting on record amounts of money that they are scared to spend.
If you are in the 9th grade you are excused.
Blue Cross is government run.
Blue cross is a private corporation.
Next.
Sorry, my mom told me it was, maybe she heard wrong.
Up to 100,000 jobs have been lost just in southern states due to the moratorium on drilling in the gulf of Mexico.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/us/25drill.html
Apparently 23,000 jobs lost is pessimistic.
Government policies that give us multi trillion dollar deficits create chaos in financial markets. The new healthcare plan, the financial reform, the cap and trade (even the threat of it), creates uncertainty in companies regarding what the cost of business is going to be. If they don't know then they don't hire, they don't expand, they sit on their money.
I'll give you that, but I think that those things are ultimately beneficial for the People, the health care plan making it more affordable, and cap and trade helping to reduce emissions. After a while, companies will probably start to spend again once they realize that you don't have to be sleazy to turn a profit.
I'll give you that, but I think that those things are ultimately beneficial for the People, the health care plan making it more affordable, and cap and trade helping to reduce emissions. After a while, companies will probably start to spend again once they realize that you don't have to be sleazy to turn a profit.
It is not beneficial if the healthcare plan ultimately bankrupts the nation. There are a lot of things that we would like to do and philosophically I don't have a problem with free healthcare. The issue is paying for it. The nation does not have the wealth to pay for it, it is that simple. The thing to do, if you really want free healthcare for all Americans, is to support government policies that increase wealth. This will provide the money for healthcare. Unfortunately, our liberal fellow citizens want it all now and this is what is leading to our national destruction. There is an old saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and we are doing a lot of paving right now.
The entire premise of reducing emissions through cap and trade is erroneous, it does not do it, it merely creates a system whereby emissions traders make a lot of money.
If we really want to solve the emissions problem, we need to build about 500 nuclear plants. This would take us off of oil and solve the problem. The politicians don't want to solve the problem.
space guy
spot on
the government doesnt want to solve problems...they just want to make money and keep in power and control the masses.
did you watch the green $windle yesterday on fox??? interesting little piece. I was going to post an article on it but couldnt find the entire show online.....maybe its there today....oh well.
peace.
This was just a matter of time.
How much does the Tea Party pay itself......to threaten itself?
#6 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDTOK, garyray, how much?
.05 an hour.
The Tea Party off-shored the jobs...because....
wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...
TO AVOID BEING TAXED!
#6.2:The Tea Party off-shored the jobs...because....wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...TO AVOID BEING TAXED!
Love it!
Like some, I feel this was only a matter of time.
You can only use racist imagery, racist rants, too-cute-by-half threats, gun laced violent metaphors, and openly carrying weapons at Presidential appearances, for so long before some of the targets of all this invective are going to show their teeth too.
It's human nature, and should be a shock to no one.
Of course, in true Tea-bagger, pants-wetting style they start bellowing about how unfair it is to have this sort of speech directed their way. You guys have been playing with rhetorical fire for the last year and a half, and now you can't take the heat of the inferno you've started.
...however (or ...but, if you prefer)
There is no excuse for letting this get this far (or even farther, as I fear may happen). Threatening people's lives is wrong, (thank you Cap'n Obvious) No matter who does it. While recently, most of the blame goes to the Right, those on the Left are guilty of excess too.
...but (or ...however, if you prefer)
I think there is an equal possiblity that Rove's pudgy, sausage-like fingers are all over this. This is just a classic technique for him. He's orchestrated break-ins at the offices of the candidate he was working for, in order to to garner sympathy and outrage.
Carl "false flag" Rove may be (maybe) at the helm on this one.
Carl "false flag" Rove may be (maybe) at the helm on this one.
Good one Jimster Thanks for reminding me of the evil one.....it would only surprise the right if they could comprehend his true message.
We've seen these EXACT Tactics before from Rovians. I DON'T BELIEVE IT! It is Bogus Crap. Lies. LIES and Still More Lies! In Other Words, Virginia, There Are NO "Evil Lefties": Phoning in the Threats. I'm Certain it is Righties! Get It? They've Pulled this Crap Many, Many Times Before. It Energizes the Lunatic Base and Fires People Up who Can't SEE through it, but it's BOGUS! I'll bet you Freedom Works or their Right Wing Sponsors are Behind EVERY CALL!
#7 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDTEverybody is getting off subject. Where is the proof that liberals are sending death threats to the Tea Party members of Dick Armey's organization? Come on folks lets see the evidence.
pulling a page from the tea parties playbook.....
Prove that this call wasn't made by some "conservative plant"!?
Actually, I would like to see some proof either way before I even remotely comment because 1) it's Freedom Works which is a well-known astro-turf campaign organization known for just about every dirty trick in the book and 2) this is hitting just when the news also gets a story about a guy stabbing someone for being Muslim who winds up to be linked to their movement?
I did read the article and, while, I'm not one for conspiracy theories but, frankly, given the whole Sherrod thing..... I think I'm going to wait until someone gets a hold of the whole tapes and we get to hear them for ourselves before I decide anything.
Epic fail, driftwood. Every time a tea bagger does something wrong the rest of them are screaming at the left because it was "obviously a liberal plant". Then you make fun of them for believing in theories that are basically the same as yours.
These completely transparent tricks might work on your kind, but nobody else.
No, not really Mr. Momo. I don't partake in conspiracy theories - from "your kind" or anyone else. You got the wrong "kind".
That's funny, I signed up for a Teabagger mailing list awhile back, and just today I got a strident email titled WAR! Sounds like a coordinated effort to amp up the rhetoric is already coming from the right.
I say those who have stepped in it need to wipe it off their shoes first.
Also, how do we know where these calls are coming from? This is nutpicking. Show us where prominent liberals have called for violence, as Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and many others have, or actually gone and initiated it.
Until then, methinks the teabaggers doth protest too much.
#8 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:02 PM EDT[cyber push on your shoulder]
You have insider intel, huh? Do you do any special preparation before soiling your mind with that stuff?
Do you do any special preparation before soiling your mind with that stuff?
Good point. We should thank maximillio for risking, "mind soiling", from a Teabagger mailing list.
Thank you maximillio for being courageous!
You have insider intel, huh? Do you do any special preparation before soiling your mind with that stuff?
I call it preparation H :-)
Hey, I figure opposition research is valuable information. I also used to have an account at Redstate, but a sane sober realist can only last about 3 comments there before he's summarily deleted. It's not much fun taking apart their absurd arguments.
maximillio,
I call it preparation H :-)
eeeeewwwwwwwwww!
Mindrhoids.....oh the humanity!
You know....that really explains a lot. Prep H for tea-baggers...Maybe that is the cure. No wonder they are so angry.
maximillio......You should get a medal.
Aw c'mon people...the tea party (and space guy) just see the world a little differently, that's all. Just a little.
Hmmm...I'm skeptical. You know how the Tea Party kept saying dems were infiltrating the tea party to make them look bad? How do we know they aren't doing that, too?
I'll reserve judgment until more FACTS are in.
#9 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:04 PM EDTFACTS! Tea Potty people think that we can't handle their facts.
So, if they were Democratic Party plants at all those Tea Party get togethers holding those vicous racist hate filled signs, why didn't the Tea Party members chase them off being offended by those vicous racist hate filled signs?
I don't have any solid proof for either side of this argument, I am just saying...
Maybe they were conservative plants trying to make us believe they were democrats.
There was a website started my a person in Oregon that called for others to infiltrate the tea party protests, make believe they were members and cause incidents that would discredit the movement. The site (crashtheteaparty.org) has been removed from the web and the person responsible has been resigned from the school he worked at before he was fired. There are multiple sites if you GOOGLE it that gives more info.
I looked at the site before it came down. The only thing I saw on it were right wingers losing their minds. LOL
So one guy over a year ago created a website....I could have a "Crash the (Whatever) Party" Website up in no time.....
While you are at it, why don't you prove that the guy who created that website wasn't actually a conservative plant???
I believe its bogus as well, but if Glen Beck was found guilty of treason and executed, ticket sales (alone) would pull us out of the recession.
Well, I want a free ticket and it will be worth less than its cost.
I believe its bogus as well, but if Glen Beck was found guilty of treason and executed, ticket sales (alone) would pull us out of the recession.
Now we have another lefty who wants to see a fellow citizen executed for having different views than himself and gets 8 votes in an hour.
You guys are providing much confirmation for what is in this seed.
Spaceguy, Your guys are the ones saying, "We came unarmed, this time."
It seems you cannot handle the what will really happen if you and your ilk pull something.
You shouldn't blame the lion when you walk in to it's cage with a steak hanging your neck.
Spaceguy, Your guys are the ones saying, "We came unarmed, this time."
Please provide evidence of your assertion.
You shouldn't blame the lion when you walk in to it's cage with a steak hanging your neck.
So you liken yourself to a mindless killer that kills to satiate his own lust for blood while likening their legitimate complaints against a government out of control as "steak"
Interesting.
#10.8
You shouldn't blame the lion when you walk in to it's cage with a steak hanging your neck.
So you liken yourself to a mindless killer that kills to satiate his own lust for blood?
Lions are not mindless killers that kill to satiate a lust for blood. They are predators that hunt for food in order to survive. You totally twisted (and missed) the meaning of what Tyler was saying - you are purposely being obtuse.
Another observation on the Tea Party is that they have no sense of humor.
If the teabaggers did have a sense of humor then they'd realize just how silly and funny they are in normal people's eyes.
They are predators that hunt for food in order to survive.
So, you are saying that those that disagree with you are lambs for the slaughter?
Or
Are you saying that in order for liberals to survive you must kill those that disagree with you?
"Normal people" Mr. Snyder??? I would dare to say that none of us here are "normal," nor that you should be the judge of same.
space guy, I am saying neither. You are still being obtuse. Ted's comment bears repeating:
wow-what a way to twist that around.
I would have added a few !!!!!
I would dare to say that none of us here are "normal," nor that you should be the judge of same.
Yep, I'm normal and I get to decide. The job of judging others in this case doesn't pay much, but the hours are flexible and there's no heavy lifting, so it's fun. In fact it's a better job then when I used to be prefect. Now that job sucked! On call 24-7! Lousy benefits! No dental! The constant whining of the faithful! I mean man, the demands of some people anyway! Scheeeech! I had to quit that one because it was rough on the back and caused pain in my hands and feet.
Thank you. Have a nice day.
Occasionally the news is a good laxative (for grown folk like me) well past the point of flatulence but falling short of death by, well... "thats enough for now".. I say rising above the bowl to pontificate once again to a level of true ass-holiness... a spirit if you will.. and then I am gone!
Space guy, if you spend years berating and hating people, you can't blame them when they hate you back.
Space guy, if you spend years berating and hating people,
I have seen little hate here from the right, the vast majority of it originates from leftward viners.
That's because there aren't as many righties on the Vine than lefties. Just look at Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, and their ilk. They do little but make their audiences believe that liberals are hell spawn. The left isn't allowed to hit back? BS.
Not that death threats are ever acceptable, because they're not, but when you have two of the most increasingly non-sympathetic TV shock jocks out there spewing their filth, you don't think someone is eventually going to push back as a result? Rush and Hannity are filthy jerks who haven't got a human bone in their body, so it isn't surprising to me.
#11 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDTRush and Hannity are filthy jerks who haven't got a human bone in their body, so it isn't surprising to me.
A first move by those who seek to kill others for political reasons is to dehumanize them.
How true. Have you noticed in our country there is ONLY one Party attempting to silence the other? Only one using insults instead of fact? Only one calling the other "Racist"?
Hmmmm. Me thinks they whine too much.
#11.1:A first move by those who seek to kill others for political reasons is to dehumanize them.
You should know; you were taught well by your right-wing non-leaders! This has been the game plan of the right, including dick army, against President Obama since he took office on day ONE! So back at cha!
#11.2:Only one calling the other "Racist"?
Hhmm, maybe it's because those on the right are the only "racists" we see! Duh!
You should know; you were taught well by your right-wing non-leaders! This has been the game plan of the right, including dick army, against President Obama since he took office on day ONE! So back at cha!
It is not a right winger that made the statement in 11, it was a liberal. So, you are saying that in your opinion that it is the purpose of those that disagree with you that they want to dehumanize you and then kill you?
Is that what you are claiming?
We do know for a fact that a close associated of president Obama's, Saul Alinsky, wrote a thesis on just these kinds of techniques. Do you have similar literature that you can point to for the right?
I'll respond. I wrote the comment. Did you see where I said that death threats are never acceptable? I never said that either of them should be killed, I said that it was not surprising to me that with all the stuff that both of them say, that someone might have been pushed to the limit and decided to phone in a threat. That said, I still believe that both of them are jerks, and I've read and heard many things from both which were quite volatile and not at all polite or humane. The two of them expressly like riling up people to the extreme with their anti-democratic rhetoric. In my opinion, that makes them jerks, but nowhere did I say in context or out that I wished their deaths, or supported the people who phoned in said threats. And you never know, it could be a frame job too.
"Pushed to the limit?" Where is personal responsibility in any of this? Can people not hear all sides of AMERICA's opinions without threatening death or spewing hate? It's insanity. Let's just forego freedom of speech and free thought. Right?
If someone goes on TV or the radio spewing hate speech, you don't think that someone is going to be extraordinarily offended by it? I support freedom of speech and free thought, but there are things that you can say that will most definitely make you a jerk and very unlikable. And obviously, some people don't know the meaning of personal responsibility. No rational, straight thinking person is going to go around making death threats. But the fact of the matter is that Rush and Hannity spew hate and anti-democratic rhetoric on a regular basis. You seem to be selectively ignoring that fact. Unless, of course, you agree with Rush and Hannity and think they're completely right in their opinions. That's also a possibilty.
Isn't there a rightwing site dedicated to praying for the death of our President? Didn't the "christian" leader on the 700 club repeatedly pray for the deaths of those who he sees as politically opposed!? AND ask his followers to not only pray along but send him $$$$! Come one...space guy! You seem to be being intentionally obtuse and grasping at straws as well. Can you really condemn the party such tactics have been directed to finally learn to use those same tactics? How does that saying go, "payback is a virgin. A Beitch is tooo easy!"
In my opinion, that makes them jerks, but nowhere did I say in context or out that I wished their deaths, or supported the people who phoned in said threats. And you never know, it could be a frame job too.
But you did say that they did not have a human bone in their body didn't you. From the site:
http://www.ujfpittsburgh.org/page.aspx?ID=148357
As the "Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda" of the Nazi party, Josef Goebbels created a negative image of the Jewish people, blaming them for the economic and social problems of Germany and the world. The propaganda was intended to dehumanize the Jews by naming them an “inferior race,” to create widespread anti-Semitism and lay the groundwork for the elimination of the rights and freedoms of the Jews. The Nazis preached that Jews must be excluded from society, and used schools, the media and popular art forms such as films, posters and dramas to teach and project a distorted image of the Jews.
How is this different from the rhetoric that is espoused in this thread by many of the posters?
What I want you and others to see is that what you decry, you also participate in. You might try and be a bit more considerate of your fellow citizens and to see that even in you, the seeds of hate have fertile ground.
devil's advocate...you have a source or is that just you thinking that you heard that stuff? If that is all you got , pretty flimsy.
As the "Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda" of the Nazi party, Josef Goebbels created a negative image of the Jewish people, blaming them for the economic and social problems of Germany and the world. The propaganda was intended to dehumanize the Jews by naming them an “inferior race,” to create widespread anti-Semitism and lay the groundwork for the elimination of the rights and freedoms of the Jews. The Nazis preached that Jews must be excluded from society, and used schools, the media and popular art forms such as films, posters and dramas to teach and project a distorted image of the Jews.
Great point, space guy.
Once again, you're trying to pin something on me that is totally different from what I feel. I'm not pointing at all conservatives, I'm pointing directly at two specific people that I view as hate-mongers who I think are terrible jerks and don't deserve any respect or the time of day. Personally, I don't feel it's actually wrong to feel disgusted by disgusting people. And once again, I remind you, I'm only talking about specific people. And what about you, space guy? Do you happen to love liberals and and liberal talk show hosts?
Now who would threaten them? With all the love they spread throughout America -- I'm shocked! Could it be a socialist? or any of those other names they love to slap people with? :)
FACT is: These people thrive on beating other people down. Could it be that somebody's just giving them taste of their own FEAR?
Or is this just another manifestation of their own many INSECURITIES?
Or are they doing what they seem to do best: LYING-- to spread more HATE?
We will never know...
#12 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:24 PM EDTin no way would i condone violence but isn't it the way when a bully gets a little of his own medicine that he tucks his tail between his legs and goes crying to mama.... We could all get along if the Republican Party would first talk and secondly get rid of some of the loons from the Tea Party who like to do their talking for them. Not all tea baggers are bad but it's who they are content with representing them that creates the problems.............
#12:Or is this just another manifestation of their own many INSECURITIES? Or are they doing what they seem to do best: LYING-- to spread more HATE?
I'm putting bets on these last 2 choices!
I am positively sure the Teabaggers don't promote any more love throughout America than you just did in your poetic post, Tran4mashn.
Thanks Driftwood
I'm taking that as a compliment -- no matter how you meant it!
Its about time!
#13 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:24 PM EDT[wagging finger]
Play nice in the sandbox, Scotty. We don't really want anything to happen to head Tea Potty people in charge.
Well I think they should reload "Palin" And Take them out "Whitman"
Those are their words, but the seem to fit either way.
Well if Dick Armey and party are telling the truth, they have nothing to hide. So, lets see and hear the evidence.
#14 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDTstevie-I watched their rallies. I saw the signs. I heard what they were preaching.
I have come to the conclusion those people are beyond having a reasonable thought.
They would not know the truth if it walked up and slapped them on the forehead.
And, Ted, you do know the truth, right? More jobless numbers and all your president can say, is, the stimulus is working!
Mag-if you would have been paying attention to the last say----3 yrs, you would have known that this country was shedding approx. 600,000 jobs a month before Obama ever got in.
Do you have a 401K? That started going down the tubes about 4 yrs ago. I know that because a bunch of us at work moved everything we had into fixed to save what we could.
Regarding the stimulus, yes it did work. As much as I would have liked? No, but it did create jobs, and it did save jobs.
Didn't you drive down a highway or over a bridge and see the signs stating the bridge/highway work was with stimulus money? Well I did.. I think you did too, but don't want to admit it.
Regarding the LOAN to GM. it was a LOAN, and paid back with interest. Rick Wagoneer (?) had to get the boot, he lost the company billions of dollars in 2008-2009. Since he was ousted, and new management took over the company is paying back it's debt, and showing a profit. That saved lots of jobs.
Now since you appear to be a right winger, and they demonize unions, I'll try and explain this to you real slowly.
GM employs thousands. For ever paycheck each of these workers get, they in turn support maybe 5 more families.
They spend their pay on grocery shopping, gas stations, pay mortgages, pay utilities, go to restaurants.
Each of these places where the money is being spent, employs people. They in turn get paid by the restaurants, gas stations, checkers in the grocery store. Are you with me? Now each of those ancillary people in turn gets their paycheck and the cycle continues.
Now-before GM even pays these employees, on the supply side from vendors they get sheet metal, wiring, tires, material and foam, plastics, food for the cafeteria, gasoline, oil, etc.
Each of those suppliers employs hundreds of people. When those vendors pay each of their employees, these workers also go out to eat, get gas, buy groceries.
So you see-by saving one manufacturing plant, the stimulus saved 10's of thousands of jobs.
If you think the jobless numbers are high now-it would be through the roof if those plants were not restructured and saved.
Unfortunately, I don't think you can understand this.
Regarding the LOAN to GM. it was a LOAN, and paid back with interest. Rick Wagoneer (?) had to get the boot, he lost the company billions of dollars in 2008-2009. Since he was ousted, and new management took over the company is paying back it's debt, and showing a profit. That saved lots of jobs.
Nope
http://mandelman.ml-implode.com/2010/08/gm-gmac-the-us-government-have-you-no-shame/
What you are talking about is this.
http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/general-motors-paid-back-bailout-loans-in-full/
GM received $52 billion from the U.S. government, but only $6.7 billion of this amount was considered a loan. The company already paid back $2 billion, so this $4.7 billion is the last payment.
So $45.3 billion is a complete write off.
There were also tens of billions of dollars in losses to state pension funds and other bondholders when GM and Chrysler went bankrupt.
In all probability a private bankruptcy with a reorganization would have been better for the taxpayer and the company and the employees.
Seems that Biden didn't know what he was talking about with the stimulus: And this is from the AP - shocking:
Nearly 18 months since it started, the stimulus weatherization program has experienced spending delays, inefficiencies and mismanagement. In Biden's home state of Delaware, the entire program has been suspended since May, and last month federal auditors identified possible fraud.
_In Alaska, the program has yet to retrofit one home.
_In Texas, auditors found the private contractor earning the most in stimulus money did shoddy work on 60 percent of the houses it was hired to weatherize.
_In California, a contracting company paid nearly $3 million to caulk low-income residents' homes didn't train two dozen of its employees, the state's inspector general found last week.
Just months ago, at the one-year anniversary of the stimulus law, the Energy Department's inspector general complained in a report about "little progress" weatherizing homes and said the government's best efforts "appeared not to have significantly increased the tempo of actual units weatherized across the nation."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iadyD5XKmEBG9rKT1EOkoaeIUPwwD9HRMPH01
They probably had some right wing extremist call in just to blame it on how violent the leftists are. Sounds like something out of Carl Roves play book to me.
#15 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:43 PM EDT#14.3:If you think the jobless numbers are high now-it would be through the roof if those plants were not restructured and saved.Unfortunately, I don't think you can understand this.
Thank you for taking the time to proscribe the supply and demand economic theory and present a cogent thesis.
But in the end, I think you used the wrong verb: I don't think they want to understand this!
It would make things too easy!
Thanks Mary-and I was nice about it too! mag and drift-did you feel the love?
#15.3:Thanks Mary-and I was nice about it too! mag and drift-did you feel the love?
You are welcome and yes, I think you were very nice about it too.
You don't know what "love" is Ted, do you? It's not the stuff you and Galloway are yammering. Too bad you have never known true love...
That's a shame.
Violence is not the answer.
#16 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:48 PM EDTWhat goes around, comes around. They preach hate, incite crowds to the point of hysteria. Sooner or later it comes back.
Now instead of playing the victim they should think before they speak. It's just not the right they are getting all jazzed up.
Violence is the vehicle from which all Authority derives it's power.
What goes around, comes around. They preach hate, incite crowds to the point of hysteria. Sooner or later it comes back.
Now instead of playing the victim they should think before they speak. It's just not the right they are getting all jazzed up.
I'll leave a nerd quote from Batman Begins.
Ra's al Ghul: Compassion is a weakness your enemy will not share.
Batman: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them.
Yea, the liberals on here and everywhere you turn spew their insane, idiotic slurs on anyone who doesn't agree with them. They truly do believe that they are Obama's disciples here to right the world of all evils. Sure there are going to be over the board religious and political fanatics and we have to take each one idividually and not group all together. And, I have never seen such hate against Christians as I have on NV.
#17 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:50 PM EDTObviously you never really listened to Limbaugh, Beck or Palin speak. If you actually listened and comprehended what they preach, you would realize your post is inaccurate. Thanks.
Examples. Please. What you have beeen spouting is much more hateful and inciteful than ANYTHING I've heard from either of the three you just mentioned.
you got examples above and refuse to even consider it.
I believe magnolia was on another vine a few days ago and someone actually provided him/her a link for proof of something and she refused to even check it out. Insisted on not believing it with out even checking..
How many times do you have to be told? W hat don't you believe about violence? Don't you believe Palin sent out a mailer with a target on the homes of folks she did not like. Why don't you check and start there.
I'm sure there are others on here that would be happy to jump in and enlighten you too.
Obviously you never really listened to Limbaugh, Beck or Palin speak
I have listened to them and never have I heard the slurs come out of their mouths as it does from the liberals on NV. I have seen posters referencing Obama which were bad. However, none of us on here are Palin, Limbaugh or Beck and most of you slam us with bigot, racist, stupid, idiot which is not keeping with the CoH, but these comments are not deleted by the Administration. This is what I am talking about.
#18 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDTI don't believe anyone made a personal attack against you. Besides, we don't know you, and you don't know us. It can't get personal.
I am hard pressed, after being on the vine for these past months, to believe that only the lefties are spouting hate. WOW. It's just not so.
I am hard pressed, after being on the vine for these past months, to believe that only the lefties are spouting hate. WOW. It's just not so.
Past months?
Here is one for you from October of 2008
http://wingod.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/17/2012825-the-lefts-election-derangement-syndrome-eds
respectfully-how did we get from past months back to 2008?
BTW-I read your link. Sorry-that has as much credibility as the teapartiers getting death threats. But-we can agree to disagree.
BTW-I read your link. Sorry-that has as much credibility as the teapartiers getting death threats. But-we can agree to disagree.
Really, since I did the research and copied the images and the data from lib websites prior to the election. So when you are provided with proof this is your answer?
I don't consider that a real threat. Genuinely dangerous people don't warn you before the bullet hits your brain. So I hear anyway..
#19 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:04 PM EDTI wonder if this is a hoax. I see that they are moving over to North Capitol Street so they can cuddle up with the Fox News Washington Bureau. Now, that's convenient. This sounds like another Rove thing.
#20 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:06 PM EDTPattie, what is your favorite news channel? If, you don't mind my asking.
I don't watch much TV news. I usually just check CNN and MSNBC on the web, and occasionally on TV. I also tune in the BBC from time to time. If the subject interests me, I'll do some snooping on the web, as well. I don't enjoy the mixing of news and entertainment that has become a staple in too many places. I don't need to hear about Lindsay Lohan constantly. Plus, the "news" people do not do the kind of research that they used to anymore, and many stories omit to many details that one then has to find out for oneself.
How many American children are living in Poverty?How many of our Seniors Citizens are living in Poverty?How many of our Men and Women who served this nation in a time of war live in Poverty?Tea Party Members as well as all American's should be out in the street's of this nation demanding from our leadership fairness across the board for all American's.The kind of programs that kick in when americans lose their jobs.Programs for keeping children out of poverty].No American should be without in a nation as rich as we are a safety net.Housing for all of our poor citizen's[NO MORE TENT CITYS]Free heatlh care for all American's,Free job training for any American citizen who has been out of work for more than one years or more,the hard core unemployed,those who report the news never talk about[BLACK MEN]We as a nation should be in the business of creating tax payers not BUMB'S who live off of others tax payers.If we had a nation that look out for it's citizens we would have services so that when one fails in life one would have those services in place so that one can get up and start over again. TEA PARTY NEEDS TO FIGHT AGAINST POVERTY NOT THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS,ALREADY HAVE THAT RIGHT
#22 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:36 PM EDTIn a perfect world death threats would not exist. Unfortunately, it is a fact of life. I wonder how many death threats are received and investigated each day for Senators, Representatives, Judges, the President, Governors, and other members of political associations. Perhaps, we too often forget our bloody history.
All is fine until someone gets hurt, especially those close to you - then the fun ends.
I mean come on is this a real surprise and shock - think about it. This is not a right, left, liberal, conservative issue it is an American issue.
#24 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDTNo, death threats and threats of physical harm aren't cool. However, I'm sorry, but I'll hold my breath a little bit longer on this one.
The article says they provided copies to "Whispers". Nothing about providing copies to the FBI or the police, for a real investigation. No back-up story is currently out there, reporting that the FBI or the police were informed and are investigating.
As of right now, for me, this has as much truth to it as the edited version of Sherrod's speech that was posted, and used by the media, later to be refuted with the real evidence.
#25 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:55 PM EDTNot getting law enforcement involved - pretty bad idea (really dumb).
And to me, not getting law enforcement involved, lends much less credence to the overall story.
I need more proof because I don't believe anything that comes from FreedomWorks.
#26 - Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:03 PM EDT#26:I need more proof because I don't believe anything that comes from FreedomWorks.
Me either, and I do mean ANYTHING!
I believe this is a publicity ruse to get more Tea Partyers to attend. I'll be in D.C. on Saturday attending the "Reclaim The Dream" march and most people will be there and Beck and his crew knows this so out of desperaton to increase the size of their group, they put out this fake death threat announcement.
We know Beck and FreedomWorks for what they are liars and deceivers and rebel rousers and this lie of death treats should be considered as such.
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